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ivyhoward 發表於 June 30, 2017 09:27 PM


奇怪
我是回應二胡張呀
並不是在回應妳啊

三更半夜的
頭殼頓頓
看到二胡張談的台灣文化
忍不住就回了
拍謝拍謝
害妳誤會

仔細回看前面說的
我提低級或高級
是指一般的社會觀點
並沒有針對妳的發言

大概是我看到二胡張
就想到牛肉麵
流口水之餘
竟然忘了這部落格的主人是誰
金價拍謝

Diego 發表於 October 8, 2010 05:19 PM

James,
這是個很有智慧的說法
"每個人的速度跟方式不同,不同的速度跟方式都有他的美與好"
我非常認同~~

Diego,
或許我的表達方式不好
文化本沒有所謂的高與低、好與壞
謝謝指教~~

mrs.turtle 發表於 October 8, 2010 11:00 AM

拜讀二胡張大作
心有戚戚焉

台灣文化就是台灣在地文化
無論他或他們被視為高級或低級

關鍵在於
如何有創意地去發揚光大
電音三太子正是台客舞和傳統台灣習俗的融合產物
霹靂布袋戲也是傳統布袋戲加上聲光效果與電腦科技的成果

更關鍵的因素是
如何讓多數台灣人願意掏錢出來支持他
(話說回來,我常開電視去看霹靂布袋戲嗎?羞~也不常。)

失眠
過來散步
順便胡言亂語

Diego 發表於 October 8, 2010 02:55 AM

接觸不同的文化有很多管道,資質好的人也許可以透過一個工業設計品去體會到不同時空環境的種種,but it's exceptional^^

希望可以有更多台灣設計師可以好好理解我們周遭的世界並從中獲得智慧,這不是為了求名求財更不是一種救贖,我想^^ 把這些體會與智慧化為具體也可以是個很自然的過程吧,每個人的速度跟方式不同,有點類似音樂的彈性速度,不同的速度跟方式都有他的美與好,有精煉的體會,形式自然就跑出來了。

James 發表於 October 7, 2010 08:41 PM

ErhuDave,
喔~喔~這個住在讓人羨慕的地方的人士
還剛從讓人更羨慕的地方旅遊回來的人士
說這些話
實在是很.......讓人羨慕
老實說OO大哥您的這些話的意思我有點似懂非懂

我想說的是
如果外國朋友覺得補習班、機車群、檳榔西施...這些元素
是現代台灣文化的代表
我沒有異議
但是我比較有意見的是
我們為什麼要讓這些東西變成是我們的文化(而且還真的是特色)
為什麼就不能換成是一些美的、好的元素
例如
雪菲爾到處都有的美麗綠地
波隆那的插畫文化
翡冷翠的文藝復興
威尼斯的藝術雙年展&建築雙年展

我想最大的問題在於台灣的社會什麼都太快速
快速就無法累積
我們羨慕人家的元素
其實也都是人家累積了好幾十年、好幾百年的成果
或者說台灣還太年輕
還沒累積出什麼讓人看得見的

也或者我想太多了
把台灣放到地球的空間裡看
也不過就是一個很迷妳的島嶼
把近代的台灣發展放到將來的歷史軸來看
幾百年後的台灣人寫這段歷史時
只不過會用一句話來形容就沒了

只是
我們活在當下,當然希望這個"當下"能好一點點
我們活在台灣,當然也希望我們的環境能好一點點
如果每個人都好一點點,那整個環境就應該會好一大點
只是
此刻我覺得每個人都壞一大點,所以整個就壞了很大一點呀

ps.這些還是不要想太多了,先貼美麗的照片給我們看吧!

圣茵,
那塊彩色的地毯真的是讚

mrs.turtle 發表於 October 7, 2010 12:00 PM

还是最喜欢AALTO的树。。。还有可爱的小球球毛毯

圣茵 發表於 October 6, 2010 04:06 PM

夫人

剛從義大利回來
這一路造訪了Florence, Pisa, Venice 以及 Bologna
回到家中第一件事情就是上夫人網站
剛好看到這一篇文章
有一些想法提供給大家參考

記得多年前曾和夫人提到
拍照雪菲爾越來越難拍
因為在這裡待久了

這次我去義大利
走在這些古老的城市中我不停地拍
但我一直想揣摩活在當地人心中的感受
他們心中也許在想
有啥好拍的?
啊不就是在威尼斯大家坐船當公車嘛
啊不就是在比薩有一個地基不穩而斜掉的塔嘛
啊不就是在翡冷翠當初一個有錢人花錢找人來創作而造成了文藝復興嘛
啊不就是.......

夫人說"就是少了我們自己吧"
我同意夫人所說的一些觀點
例如我們總是跟進而不是原創(大部分來說)
但這"我們自己"有時反而是很難回答的問題
因為我們永遠是"局內人"

問問身旁的外國朋友
台灣文化是甚麼?
多年前我帶英國同事到台灣招生
他們印象最深刻的是
晚上十點台北南陽街補習街下課後所湧出的人群
多年後我邀請朋友來台參加婚禮
他們印象最深刻的是
十字路口紅燈變綠燈後蜂擁而出的機車群
他們以為是機車幫派Hells Angels要去找人尋仇

說了老半天
我的意思是
有時"我們自己"是甚麼這個定義"我們自己"無法定義
常常看到選美活動美國小姐穿著印第安人的服飾
這是蝦...米...挖...溝...呀?
所以......
檳榔西施的服飾比原住民的服飾更具有台灣文化的"代表性"
至少對這個世紀這個時期來說

我!
我們!
就是台灣文化!!

夫人網站上的文章
讀者的留言
就是台灣文化

搜哩~~我好像也扯遠了

ErhuDave 發表於 October 6, 2010 11:38 AM

chin-yi,
歐洲最吸引人的地方
就在於每個地方多多少少都還保有自己的傳統手工
或者已經進化了的現代手工
尤其我很喜愛北歐樸質無華的木工

英國曾經出了一個威廉莫里斯
日本也出了一個柳宗悅
其實我們也曾出一個顏水龍
但是怎麼人家都延續了那一份民俗工藝的美學精神
我們的卻不知道在哪裡斷了線?!

台灣的教育真的變態到了極點吧
天天看著住家附近的中小學生
下了課就是接著再進入補習班
到夜晚九點十點才回家
週末早上去散步也是遇見早起要去補習的孩子

然後每個人都擠進了所謂的大學
到底是誰把我們的技職體系給淘空了
然後教育出了一堆軟弱無力的所謂大學生
從數字面上看
台灣的高等教育比例奇高無比
但是又如何
卻沒有教育出有專才的人
也逼著某些有天分的人非得去唸沒有作用的大學文憑

這些簡單的道理大家其實都知道
隨便一個販夫走卒也清楚
但為什麼會越搞越糟咧~好詭異
再過不久如果你回來任教
就會知道大學裡的升等和評鑑是有多病態了

搜哩~又扯遠了

mrs.turtle 發表於 October 5, 2010 06:44 PM

威尼斯,那個遊客多到令人抓狂的地方,每一家賣玻璃的店都有手工藝創作者的作品,錯過了這家,下一家就沒有了。整個威尼斯到處都在賣玻璃,但妳不會覺得到處都是廉價抄襲仿冒made in 某個世界工廠的觀光紀念品。1歐的便宜小玻璃飾品,會貼張紙條告訴妳,這可不是made in Italy。放棄了手工,大概就是放棄了自己的生活,如同嚴長壽說,為什麼技職在拼論文發表點數?

chin-yi 發表於 October 5, 2010 02:32 PM

James,
離要找到自己的路
還很遙遠哪

mrs.turtle 發表於 October 3, 2010 11:55 PM

Grieg的音樂也好、aalto的設計也罷,見樹不見林,別人的東西永遠都是別人的東西,有借有還。

James 發表於 October 2, 2010 09:40 PM

Diego,
這不是家具展啦
這是一家家具行獨立的展覽
ps.我們家的諒哥應該是這個的兩倍大了吧

Grace,
看過許多的展覽(不管建築或藝術)
也研讀過一些設計者的創作歷程
發現了一個最大的共通點
那就是這些人的這些創作
幾乎都來自他的文化裡的某個根源
不一定他是用傳統的元素去創作
但一定都是從這當中給他的靈感和啟發
有些人甚至就拿傳統來發揮
才能在這個都是模仿的年代裡跳脫出來

而台灣的創作(或者說台灣的文化)到底是什麼
到底他的根是什麼
到現在我們都不清楚
我們總是盡量的模糊化
就像我們對國家意識的模糊那樣
舉個最簡單的例子
就像每每在英國的某些場合中
各國同學們穿起了他們國家的傳統服飾時
台灣人的傳統服飾到底是什麼

圖片中的這些展覽元素當然是不錯
因為這些都是歐美設計書裡的常客
是舶來品啦

usosally,
就是少了"我們自己"吧!

mrs.turtle 發表於 October 1, 2010 01:22 PM

很有共鳴
總覺得台灣的展少了甚麼
就是靈魂這一味吧

usosally 發表於 October 1, 2010 10:01 AM

可是話說回來, 夫人圖片中的展覽, 我覺得算是滿壯觀的了ㄟ, 和國外的某些展很跟進了。

Grace 發表於 September 30, 2010 04:32 PM

上週末去看了幾個倫敦設計周的場, 也是有這種感覺。感覺台灣很多創意, 可是呈現出來的時候, 好像就是少了什麼, 又說不出來。

Grace 發表於 September 30, 2010 04:31 PM

我逛過台中的家具展
不就是賣床和賣沙發的嗎
HoHoHo...
你都覺得空虛
那我該怎麼辦

最後一張是貴家族的諒哥嗎
這相片怎讓我想起黑澤明的"夢"裡的場景
日本小孩太陽雨中偷看狐狸出嫁
被媽媽趕出家園
獨自走向遙遠天邊去向狐狸請罪
眼前一片空曠迷濛

Diego 發表於 September 30, 2010 02:31 PM
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