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123 發表於 June 26, 2018 03:22 PM

tuotuo,
你已經有資格成為報社記者了
通過第一關測驗...哈哈

Rayi,
日本除了報紙之外
像是雜誌.書籍的出版品質
就是我很嚮往的啊
每次在紀伊國書屋看那些我看不懂得日文
我也看得很開心哪
回去一定要學日文...

turtle 發表於 September 18, 2005 08:36 PM

toutou啊,日本的各家報紙版跟線上版,有些差異。線上版不容易看到貼膏藥,紙面的比較會有這種情況,一來是因為紙面的排版軟體太老,不好用,再來是用的人殘存著老思維。相對來講,線上版的就比較活了。我離開台灣也不過一年半而已,國內的報紙難看,也不是一天兩天的事,妳點到的問題,冰山一角吧。
turtle啊,日本的報紙也不是不寫藝文的東西,通常週六週日,軟性的東西比較多,朝日星期六日的某些特定版面也因此會比較好看一點,但平日的,真的不行。

rayi 發表於 September 17, 2005 02:36 PM

啊..我不敢寫太白
不過就是turtle講的抄襲新聞稿啦
新聞稿拿來抄一抄, 然後認真點的引言自己寫一下
(不管寫的是什麼)
再請編輯下個聳動點的標題
將將!!一篇新聞就完成了.

是這樣嗎:p

tuotuo 發表於 September 17, 2005 11:55 AM

rayi,
真是感謝你詳細的分享日本報紙經驗
還找來這麼多數據...給你拍拍手啦
每個國家的狀況還真的差異頗大
但是我很訝異...設計專才.包裝第一的日本
報紙竟然這麼"素"
如果又都是嚴肅的話題...那看報不是變得很辛苦
全國性報紙裡沒有夾一些軟性的生活議題嗎
還是這些都交給了地方報來管了

tuotuo,
哈哈
讓你見識到了吧
台灣的記者都被慣壞了啊
他們每天只要到政府單位的新聞室去拿各方匯集來的新聞稿
稿子就寫不完了啊
內容當然是根據新聞稿稍微修改一下自己的語法
所以即使10家報社寫出來...都是一樣啦
所謂"新聞"都是自己單位(不管公家或民間)寫的"新聞稿"而已

turtle 發表於 September 17, 2005 10:53 AM

to rayi,
那我看到的Nikkei應該是屬於專業性報紙囉?
不過我看到的on-line的報導, 類似貼藥膏式的版面
在線上是看不到的.

或許日本的簡約美學沒發揮在報紙排版上

不過rayi應該很久沒看過國內媒體的報導了吧
呵..有機會可以回來見識一下媒體說故事的功力
電視跟報紙真的都很難看...:(

To turtle

上禮拜整理媒體報導,二三十篇超過80%以上都是互相抄襲來的, 要不就是東剪西貼拼湊來的. 那要那麼多媒體作什麼啊?@@

ps.衛報這個版面真的很有時尚感, 越看越喜歡.

tuotuo 發表於 September 17, 2005 07:17 AM

夫人問日本的報紙。我提供一點拙見,供參考。
日本的一般性報紙,朝日,讀賣和每日。每日,從第一大報掉到第三。東京看朝日的多,讀賣則和台灣自由很像,有很多贈閱報,而且讀賣支持自衛隊跑去伊拉克,這點太有立場,不像是辦報人該有的樣子。朝日看起來比較專業一點,但問題是若以兩岸關係來看,他們立論上早期常常偏中(日本人自己想像中的夢土:中國),最近比較中間了,不過,仍有些出錐的狀況。譬如,前陣子講中方弄了全球漢字庫的報導,提到簡體字”造就”中國的識字率。我覺得那根本是荒唐的論述,因為香港和台灣使用繁體字的識字率很早就都比中國高,所以,不能這樣推論簡體字的好處,歌頌老毛的功勞吧?
基本上,日本的報紙,也難看。先講美不美好了,通常,照片和版面編排,有點像貼藥膏。就內容來看,因為日文太冗長,一頁能承載的訊息並不如國內中文報紙來得多,加上,日式文化相對比較重權威的,所以,有時會讓我覺得枯燥。不過,換個角度看,起碼,感覺起來頗乾淨的,沒有太多雜音。
但有次,跟一個民主黨的前國會議員吃飯,他對日本的媒體頗有微詞,認為一些真正的(雖然敏感)東西,不敢寫。
不過,起碼,日本的報紙,比電視台好一點,還沒有到愛報”殺人放火”等”社會”新聞。日本電視台的新聞,真是有越來越難看的本錢。
不過,有一個特點,要說明一下。日本,出了東京,地方報就佔了相當的優勢。尤其在關西。印象中九州的地方報有三報,三報合起來佔當地訂報人口的90%,相較全國性報紙就弱許多。在我所住的縣,地方報下野新聞的巿場佔有率是45%,朝日跟讀賣各約20%,每日約9%,剩下的則是產經,日經等專業性報紙。
地方報比較貼近生活,全國性報紙則較偏政策論述。我最愛看的,不是報紙,是朝日或下野每個月會編的生活誌(雜誌),那生活誌各有特色,還頗好用的。(嘻,別打我)

rayi 發表於 September 17, 2005 05:27 AM

咦! 那偶在英國看的還是舊版了囉!

Bonnie 發表於 September 15, 2005 10:55 AM

我也不清楚日報是不是也送
我再打聽看看
不過像你說的
出書報攤買
想買什麼就買什麼
不用侷限於看同ㄧ家的
也不錯!

alison 發表於 September 14, 2005 03:38 PM

阿姐
現在訂報紙沒有打折了啦
因為報業凋零
頂多送些爛贈品
今天的新聞竟說聯晚和中晚要合併

不過其實我還蠻八股的
以後想要過那種生活是
一天的開始走個十步到門口拿報紙
回到餐桌上邊吃早餐邊看報紙
有個問題是不知道要訂什麼報紙
國語日報好了
ㄘㄟ/

fish 發表於 September 14, 2005 03:13 PM

alison,
一般的日報也有送嗎?
我們這一帶真的沒見過送報生捏
不知道歐陸的人是不是也這樣
都是到報攤買報...所以才會有這麼多路邊的書報攤 書報亭
這樣也不錯
每天都可以選不同的報看
不過在台灣訂報也是方便
一早起來就有報紙看
而且訂一年還會送幾個月免費...不然就有腳踏車之類的贈品啊

turtle 發表於 September 14, 2005 12:25 PM

沒有送報服務嗎?
還是只有特定的ㄧ些報紙才有?
就我所知
可以到住家附近的News Agent訂報
就會有人送報啦!
Chris他們家就有訂兩種以上的報紙
不過都是周報
所以不確定是不是每種報紙都有人送
ps.事務所老闆的女兒之前上學前都先去送報
再到學校,名副其實的"送報童"

alison 發表於 September 14, 2005 10:57 AM

一份報紙代表著一個國家的文化內涵與國民水準
想要了解一個國家真正深層的是是非非
看當地的電視 讀當地的報紙 就是最好的管道
不然這段在異國生活真的會小有遺憾
常常變成只嫌棄人家表面不好的
而忽略了更深層的價值觀與內在的優點
Guardian是我看過的英國報紙中最最欣賞的
清新易讀質感的版面 豐富多元的內容
敢說敢言 不畏強權 據理力爭的態度
對於一個外國學生來說
它的用字遣詞比較平實
不像有些報紙專用一些艱深的字彙
我至少兩天就要買一份
把它從頭到尾看一次
不只增加英文能力
還有很多新想法 新啟發
不錯不錯

老P 發表於 September 13, 2005 03:16 PM

rayi,
不知道以一般讀者與觀眾的眼光
你對日本媒體業有什麼樣的評價呢

turtle 發表於 September 13, 2005 02:21 PM

這篇文章應該給那些還在新聞媒體裡掌權的人看。

rayi 發表於 September 13, 2005 02:16 PM

tuotuo,
台灣如果哪一天可以不把事情跟"政治"聯想在一起
大概就會有點進步空間了吧
粉難粉難...

樓下那位新聞所畢業的小姐
你們老師在學校是在教什麼啊
都是教美姿美儀嗎
如何美美的坐上主播檯而已嗎...呵呵

fish,
你的最後一句真是絕...報社倒閉...
原來你也不看報了啊
有這麼絕望嗎
我偶爾看amy帶來的中文報紙
還真的是四個字"看-不-下-去"

turtle 發表於 September 13, 2005 01:18 PM

忘記多久沒看報紙了
現在連副刊都吸引不了我了

蘋果最近偷偷漲回15元
很賤吧 
先用10元吸引大家
胃口養大了再調回來
不過聽說漲價後賣得不是很好
所以最近有一些電視形象廣告出現
唉不管怎樣我還是不喜歡蘋果
一堆照片表格和色塊
搞得我眼花撩亂
閱讀動線超級混亂

fish 發表於 September 13, 2005 10:58 AM

我也喜歡那條藍色橫槓
時尚感十足
原來衛報改個版面也會變成頭條
實在稀奇
在台灣大概只有報社倒閉才有可能登上頭條吧

fish 發表於 September 13, 2005 10:47 AM

台灣的報紙喔...
...
感想只有以上.

說實話, 越學越壞, 只學到香港報紙的腥羶色.
雖然偶爾副刊的旅遊、藝術..報導還是會讓人
眼睛一亮.整體來講,套一句我們老師說的話,
程度太差。

說到報紙就想到記者,剛好前陣子協助一個記者會,
越專業的領域在台灣見報的空間就越小.
我們在台灣、日本、韓國連辦三場記者會.
還沒看到韓國的報導,但跟日本比起來.
實在是用功程度差太多了~
我們記者連這種工程領域,都只想問跟政治
有關的八卦. 關心的也只是比大陸先搶到主辦權.
或者是TSMC去大陸這種很表面的事情.

媒體實在糟糕, 這個以前都只聽說
但參加過記者會之後, 實在是只能搖頭.

不好意思發了一堆牢騷:p

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