December 20, 2005

建築人何處去??

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最近得知台灣的立法院正在進行一個荒謬至極的法案,讓身為建築人的我非常氣憤。一切起因於台灣的土木技師公會與結構技師公會聯手向立法院提案,建議立法院修訂「建築師法」第十三條的內容,將建築物的設計及監造人,由現行的建築師,增加為土木工程技師及結構工程技師均得以從事此業務。此案經由多位立法委員提案及連署,已經送進了立法院程序委員會,將排入立法院三讀程序。如果這項法案通過,原本僧多粥少的台灣建築界將更加雪上加霜,原本教育時間長但是賺沒幾個錢的建築人,即將面臨的困境與窘況將可想而知。台灣原本因為建築師所造成的醜陋大環境,將會因為這些結構土木技師的加入而更加慘不忍睹。

試想一個受過五年建築教育,甚至七年教育的建築師,在受過全方位的美學、設計、歷史、人文、工學、法規教育之後,都可以讓台灣的建築環境呈現如此的結果;如果現在設計的決定權取決於一個僅受過工學訓練的人身上,那會是一個什麼樣的景況呢?一棟建築物可能會很合理也很堅固,但是,SO WHAT?隨之而來的是乏味、醜陋、不體貼、無歷史與思考的價值、無任何深層的意義可言。

曾經在英國聽過一場關於設計主導權的演講,演講者對於設計過程中藝術家、建築師、結構工程人員的角色做過深入比較,發覺最適合擔任設計案協調者與決定者角色的還是建築師,因為他教育背景的關係,讓他必須考慮周全且面面俱到,也讓最後的成品可以有最少的後遺症發生。一個藝術家或許想法深具創意、美感與趣味,但是過於天馬行空的結果,讓他缺乏落實能力,而且想法過多無法決定的結果,往往讓事情事倍功半,甚至沒有完成的一天。而一個僅受過純工學教育的專業者,思考往往僅呈現理性層面,而嚴重缺乏感性層面(甚至完全沒有感性因素在內),直線思考的方式讓所有成功建築應該出現的因子通通付之闕如。

要知道一個建築作品的成型,有多少的因素要考量,有多少的變數需要解決,一個建築師可能要經過相當的人生歷練,到了一定的年紀,才有辦法在差錯最少的情況下完成一件上得了檯面的建築作品,不是只有將它安全的搭起來這麼簡單。台灣一般民眾對於建築專業者的定位還是不高的,可以從語言中習慣將建築師稱為「砌厝ㄝ」得知。唉!如果法案通過,更加可悲的未來可以預見。

以上純為個人觀點,有興趣的可以點進深入閱讀,有一篇由成大建築系傅朝卿教授所寫的"捍衛建築".............

以下文章轉載自2005.12.16.中時電子報

文/成功大學建築系 傅朝卿教授

捍衛建築

最近,台灣的土木技師公會與結構技師公會聯手向立法院提案,建議立法院修訂「建築師法」第十三條的內容,將建築物的設計及監造人,由現行的建築師,增加為土木工程技師及結構工程技師均得以從事此業務。此案經由多位立法委員提案及連署,已經送進了立法院程序委員會,將排入立法院三讀程序。此事荒謬至極,不但暴露了專業在台灣被踐踏的悲歌,更暴露了許多立法委員的盲從。

建築就是一種專業,古今中外皆然,必須由具有此專業的人來執業。進入現代社會之後,建築師更是一種必須透過嚴格訓練才得以取得的專業人員。世界各國在建築師的養成教育上,課程內容或許有差異,但基本上都是人文與工程並重,設計與技術兼顧,而且絕對設有一定的教育門檻或專業資格門檻才得以當建築師,執行建築業務。以美國為例,為了要滿足成為建築師的基本知識與能力,「美國國家建築註冊委員會」(NCARB)的認定有三種方式可以滿足其教育標準。


第一種情況為取得「美國國家建築註冊委員會」承認的專業學位。這種專業學位可以是建築學士(Bachelor of Architecture)或者是建築碩士(Master of Architecture)。第二種情況則可透過「建築師教育評鑑服務系統」(EESA)來認定,其乃是由美國國家建築資格認證委員會(NAAB)所執行。

對於美國與加拿大之外的建築教育,「建築師教育評鑑服務系統」是依「美國國家建築註冊委員會」之教育要求分成六個領域來評鑑,其分別是一、共同科目;二、歷史、人類行為學及環境;三、技術系統;四、實務;五、設計;六、選修。任何一個學生必須滿足至少一六○學分,其中,屬於前五項的至少為一三五學分,另外二十五學分可加選前五項之課程或自可被接受之選修課中取得。

第三種是經由結合教育與廣泛的建築經驗而表現出足以滿足「美國國家建築註冊委員會」要求的人,必須經由一定的程序取得「美國國家建築註冊委員會」之證明。

除了美國之外,其他國家也都有類似的規定,甚至是APEC建築師與國際建築師聯盟在建築師養成教育的資格上,都有明確的規範。由此可見,能不能夠執行專業建築的工作,並不是一個人擁有什麼證照的問題,而是一個人有沒有接受建築專業訓練的問題。如果我們將國內建築系與土木系之課程攤開來比較,就可以發現大多數土木技師及結構技師畢業的土木相關科系在課程內容上,與建築專業還有相當大的落差。這也是為何在高等教育中,建築與土木是兩種專業的原因。

從建築專業教育的觀點來看,建築師法第十三條是不容被修正,因為它所代表的是受到建築專業教育的人才可以執行建築專業的普世價值。如果此條文被不當的修改,台灣的建築專業與建築教育的體系與價值觀將全面瓦解,台灣的建築專業將受到國內外的質疑。台灣的建築發展,更將偏離正軌。台灣的建築界,應該全面勇敢的站出來,捍衛建築執業與建築教育的專業。(作者為成功大學建築系教授兼主任)

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烙跑ㄚ甘,
建築這條路真的真的不好走
對於那些無自省能力的專業者來說已經夠難了
更何況那些本著良心與品質做事的建築專業者
要學的東西太廣太多
誰叫建築是個大雜學
但是不雜考量不廣
又不能做好設計
但是到頭來在各個專業領域
卻又不比那些專家強
難啊

至少以投資報酬率來算好了
你所付出的時間 體力 財力這些成本
遠遠不及所得到的小小報酬
能夠堅持下去的人真的少之又少
建築專業者也是人
他們也需要賺錢來維持生活
生活都有問題了
哪還有閒情雅致來說空間該如何改善的問題呢
至少在台灣這個超低設計工資
又加班連連到身體出狀況的環境是如此

老P 發表於 October 15, 2006 04:16 PM

建築師這行不是人幹的,終其一生百之200的努力換來的報酬可能不到百分之50,他(她)不只要藝術美學,人文素養,空間與環境等等概念還要融合傳統與現代科學技術更要有源源不絕的創造力,有所堅持部份是對的,但是如果對結構及營建有所認識也是好的,建築設計人才不好培養,有空看看建築天才(柯比意的一生)就知道他有多悽慘

烙跑ㄚ甘 發表於 October 15, 2006 11:38 AM

感謝營建相關同業"看不下去"的支持
你發聲的身份可說非常中肯客觀
你所說的建築師執業時會發生的種種弊病
因為在事務所也待過一段時間
所以頗能身刻體會
這些缺失真的需要痛定思痛
立即改進
才能贏得社會大眾的尊重
一件成功的建築
各項專業缺一不可
也彼此需求
相互尊重並欣賞彼此的專業
非常非常重要

水泥工
五角船版台中的案例
我其實還蠻欣賞的
因為業主比較沒有受到傳統建築教育的束縛
反而容易表現出他最原始的想像
喜好當然見仁見智
不過許多建築系學生確實真的是自命清高
對什麼事都嗤之以鼻
只有自己的設計才是最好的
絲毫沒有謙遜看事情的修養
這情形很常發生
也必須避免
我個人也參加過建築師補習班
現在想起來還是覺得荒謬非常
這樣考上的建築師
到底還剩幾分熱情與企圖心呢???
想想幾百人擠在一個非常噁心的空間
聽一些只會考試
完全沒有修養的有執照人士在上面傳授口訣
連設計這種東西都有公式口訣
都可以用背的
我真的啞口無言
而且年紀輕輕完全沒有人生與實務經驗
只會考試
如果蓋章的決定權在他身上
後果應該非常悽慘吧!!

沒錯
建築師真的是一種老人產業
好的作品往往要經過充分的人生歷練之後才會產生出來
不過
也要經過十幾二十年的殘酷廝殺下
碩果僅存的人才能達到如此境界
也才有可能接到一些比較像樣的案子

Leopan....
兩邊的建築產業都有程度不一的相同問題
不過台灣的建築問題還是嚴重許多
在英國找建築相關工作或許不難
不過要受到相當的尊重或是升到相當的職位
是會有一點困難的
白人的世界裡
任你再傑出
歧視問題還是普遍存在的
你再怎麼樣還是"外國人"

老P 發表於 January 11, 2006 12:47 PM

看到台灣這樣亂搞, 前一陣子我同學的擔心是真的.
原本還想回去考考看, 現在這樣還是以後再說八,
不國在英國工作也是不好找.@@
台灣業主不尊重專業, 更是出名!

兩難!

leopan 發表於 January 10, 2006 10:50 AM

嗯嗯...大家對建築真有熱情!
台灣的"五角船板"(我應該沒記錯名稱)不知道有沒有人見過?聽說是個非建築從業人員設計的。我聽到很多建築人對這個設計者兼業主嗤之以鼻。
問題是:我看到很多建築人早已放棄自己當初投身建築的熱情與理想,轉而追求快速致富。你說他不對嗎?某些年大量通過建築師考試的年輕人必須扛著建築師的頭銜在這市場裡搶佔一席之地,你認為他有多少經驗或自信創作出好的作品?
我在建築業打滾超過10年,小小專科畢業也從不敢想去考建築師,只是看到很多年輕人在養成教育就偏離創作及紮實的基礎功、一畢業就擠進補習班猛嗑考古題、一進事務所就只想做設計...這是否才是台灣建築真正的憂慮?
曾經有個老建築師跟我說:「建築是老人的行業,當你有所體會、有所領悟時已白髮蒼蒼。」我想:與其爭論或不平建築師被剝奪了些什麼,是否也該回頭省思我們為台灣曾經或現在、未來創造過些什麼?

水泥工 發表於 January 8, 2006 04:01 PM

本人是主修土木工程除經歷土木工程外尚有一些建築工程經驗
我實在看不下去了*****老P我支持你們這一國了
土木結構物除考量實用性及安全性外整體美學的確是最重要的
雖然到過美洲及其他國家幾次
但始終沒機會到建築美學之首的歐洲一窺其美是我最大遺憾
還好有老P及隔壁夫人讓我從網路上過足了乾癮
本人覺得監造業務開放給土木及結構技師倒較無爭議
而設計需考量美學.實用.安全等問題爭議性較大應從長計議

本人曾遇過某建築師因設計問題而須修改結構體時
只考量美學而不考量結構安全計算
最後這位建築師大人撂下"等技師考上建築師後再來找我談"令人氣結
有些公共建築物所委託建築師事務所設計時
建築師只畫幾張草圖剩下的全交由高職或大學剛業的新鮮人處理
最後轉交結構技師蓋橡皮圖章
更誇張的是公務機關的業主(專業技士,工程師)可能連看也未看其職名大章,就給她蓋了下去
最後驗證了施工第一線的老工程師(前輩)常說的"建築工程作到哪裡圖就改到哪裡,圖改到哪裡就做到哪裡"---台灣的建築就這麼可悲嗎
總之土木及結構技師不要忘了有些建築師的結構計算可能比你強
建築師也不要以為學土木及結構的其文化美學一定輸你
你是否還記得伍O年代飲食但求溫飽,九O年代除求溫飽外色香味及營養均衡樣樣都要求
建築工程也是一樣只要相互尊重專業及意見
八百年前是一家的我們一定會是受人尊重的一群"起厝的"

看不下去 發表於 December 23, 2005 06:55 PM

ALEX
看來美國也是一樣的景況
大家真的都認為建築師與土木技師
蓋出來的房子都一樣嗎??
就好像搞不清楚狀況的外國人
總認為台灣跟大陸是一樣的那種情況
讓你氣憤暗幹的跟他解釋
他們卻還是聽不懂
唉!唉!唉!

aquarious
是啊 當你在國外看過別人的東西之後
一定會深深的感嘆
為什麼台灣人做不到??
每年有這麼都人出國旅遊考察
政府部門每年也花這麼多錢讓一堆人出國考察
結果呢???
不知道是看不懂呢?
還是只是消化預算讓這些人出去度假一下呢?
總之 這是一股大環境的歪風
真的還是要從我們的教育著手
尤其是到現在還非常缺乏的
藝術與人文教育
BTW
感謝你對我們建築人的支持

TED
看來現在的情勢真的非常緊急了
你之前的留言還有一點樂觀的成分
現在可謂火燒屁股了
非常贊同你的言論
也請各位關心台灣建築未來發展的朋友
尤其是各位攸關存亡的建築人們
發揮你的影響力 良知 與參與感
阻止這個荒謬至極的法案
如果建築師法第十三條正案通過了
台灣建築環境的醜陋悽慘
絕對讓你不忍卒睹

小蜜蜂
你說的沒錯
不管業主再如何的刁鑽沒常識
一個盡心盡力的建築師
確實是應該在重重的限制下
企圖呈現一個問心無愧的作品
不過大部分的情況似乎不是如此
因為台灣建築師的設計費實在是世界數一數二的低
因為台灣一般民眾大多不認為設計能值什麼錢
所以開銷能打平也就ㄛ彌陀佛了
大部分的建築師真的活得非常無奈 有志難申
就如你所說
所有的環節說上幾天也說不完
簡單的說就是大環境不尊重專業
現在已經不是相挺不相挺的問題了
如果這關鍵性的一次失守了
建築師可能就此失去舞台
你想挺也挺不到了

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建築師公會台中辦事處法益委員 黃郁文

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土木、結構兩公會正利用選舉形成壓力團體,企圖迫使立委諸公提案修訂建築法第十三條,將建築物設計監造權利納入土木技師與結構技師。

該提案之內容充斥著諸多似是而非之言論,企圖混淆視聽打破建築法規體系對專業分工之架構,擴大土木結構兩技師之執業內容。

修法一旦成功影響所及不僅及於建築法規體系之重整更及於整體建築教育制度之正當性。

近年來政府因應WTO與APEC入會問題積極推動與國際接軌之各項政策,行業別包括建築師及各專業技師。最重要的是專業教育學程與專業資格之相互認證,如今該法案之研修正好悖離政府之政策方向,自絕於國際社會而不自知。

全國建築學界

為保障全民生命財產安全

反對修改建築法第十三條共同聲明

人類的演進與文明是不斷的追求專業的精進,從人類造屋的歷史來看,人類開始興建房屋時,並沒有建築師、土木技師、結構技師等,是以早期僅有土木技師時,設計、興建建築物由土木技師擔任,而後有建築科系培育建築師後,由於建築師人員尚少,才有民國65年以前由建築技師、土木技師擔任建築物的設計人,民國65年以後建築師人數已達相當數量,才明定建築物的設計人為建築師,這是專業分工的演進,此與近期才有結構技師、環工技師、消防設備師、都市規劃師等皆如出一轍,係朝向專業分工進步的方向保障全民生命財產安全。

從建築師養成教育課程—建築專業教育來看,建築學科的訓練裡除了認識架構空間構體、了解營造技術之外,亦重視空間規劃、環境控制(包括因應自然環境及智慧地使用能源及設備)的訓練;除了工程科學的面向的訓練外,對人文社會的面向的學養也格外重視-包括了認識全世界建築文化傳統、發展中的設計及環境理論、變動中的城市社會對居住環境的需要等等。

從國內外建築系與土木系的教學課程比較來看,建築系與土木系的教學課程有相當大的差異,僅僅結構與施工方面有部分雷同。

建築系的教學課程概略著重下列學程的訓練,分述如下:

在生活環境與都市社區方面的課程如:建築計畫、敷地計畫、都市計畫實質環境之社會計畫、區域計畫等;在建築實體構造與結構方面的課程如:建築構造、建築構造學及實習、建築構造與造型、建築結構系統、建築結構行為、建築結構學、鋼筋混凝土、鋼骨鋼筋混凝土、鋼骨構造、建築結構特論等;在建築歷史文化理論方面的課程如:台灣建築史、中國建築史、西洋建築史、近代建築史以及其他各種族文化或氣候環境的建築認識(地域建築)、建築理論、建築哲學觀等;在建築施工實務方面的課程如:建築施工、建築估價、建築工法、建築材料、營建管理、建築成本與價值工程、建築法規、營建法規、都市設計法規、都市計畫法規等;在建築水電空調設備方面的課程如:建築物理、建築物理環境、建築環境控制系統、建築設備、高層建築設備、建築設備維護與管理;在建築設計與實質環境方面的課程如:建築設計、都市設計、社區規劃與設計、環境景觀設計等綜合訓練學生設計思維與演練。

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請各位系友一起行動,共同為捍衛建築法第十三條

關於建築法第十三條修正案學界行動方案東海大學建築系建議草案

第一步:聯繫

1. 時機:現在就要開始

2. 學界串聯:全國建築系所達成的共識,以系主任為當然具名者。可以將全省分為北、中、南三學區,北部以交大或淡江,中部東海,南部成大做為聯繫中心。

3. 聯繫全聯會熱心人士,他們也要動員組織。

4. 和傾向反對法案立場的立法委員(最好各黨都有)建立聯繫管道。

5. 了解本法案在立法院的進程,何時排入議程。

6. 對各國(特別是美國)之建築執業與教育之情形進行較全面與深入之研究。

7. 分區舉辦研討會。

第二步:遊說

1. 時機:法案進入討論之前。

2. 請學界、業界有地位人士,如漢寶德先生、夏鑄九、姚仁喜發表看法。

3. 由業界出資,學界出名,聯合所有建築系在報上發表共同聲明。

4. 將聯合聲明傳真至所有立法委員的辦公室,內容重點如下:

(1)、建築是人文藝術,工程只是一部份。

(2)、建築教育是整合教育,工程師的教育偏重而不完備。

(3)、土木技師可設計建築物是日據時代遺下的陋規,法案是開倒車。

(4)、建築師的生存空間將被壓縮。

(5)、專業分業的精神:類比於醫師與藥劑師的分業。

(6)、建築審照需結構技師簽証,已有制度。

(7)、九二一的建築物倒塌主要是施工與監工的問題,不是設計問題,安全標準法令方面已有提高。

(8)、法案將降低建築師的地位,難獲得國際業界的認同,而日後無法在國際市場競爭,更將斷送與世界建築專業認證接軌之機會(如進行中之APEC建築師制度)

(9)、開放後將導致生活環境品質的下降。

第三步:抗議

1. 時機:法案若二讀通過。

2. 結合學界與業界到立法院抗議,對媒體發表公開信,爭取輿論支持。

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成大建築系主任致函

各位院長、系主任及教授:

為了反對土木技師公會與結構技師公會聯手推動建築師法第13條的修正,國立成功大學建築系於12月15日邀請台灣各建築相關科系的系主任或代表於成大召開會議,研商對策。而東海大學也於12月14日於系上召開會議,提出建議(附件一)。在綜合兩次會議之意見後,個人先列出立即可以進行,較有共識的幾點:

一、 全台灣區分為北中南三區,形成三個團隊,分別召開公聽會或邀請連署修法的立法委員,進行解釋或遊說的工作。北部以交大或淡江,中部東海,南部成大做為聯繫中心。(在成大的會議中,有主任建議北部以台大城鄉所為聯繫中心,但因考量東海之建議,將夏鑄九先生列為學術界有地位者,因此建議以淡江為中心)

二、 鼓勵三個分區的老師們,主動的向各大報紙及媒體投書,說明土木、結構與建築之差異,建築師與土木技師及結構技師之差異,尤其是在專業上及所受之教育上及考試制度。事實上,本人已於12月16日於中國時報民意廣場發表一篇題為〈捍衛建築專業〉的文章(附件二),但12月18日結構技師公會馬上刊出另外一文。因此,建築學界一定要有更多人主動密集的進行投書的工作。

三、 進行全台灣建築相關科系教師的連署工作。12月15日於成大的會議中,成大研擬出一份共同聲明(附件三),希望各位主任院長過目,如果沒有問題,懇請發動系或院之同仁共同連署(附件四),我們將以學界共同的名義,寄給所有參與連署修法的立法委員。

四、 敦請學界有地位人士,如漢寶德先生、夏鑄九先生、姚仁喜先生發表看法。

當然,如果立法院還是執意進行三讀,可能學界就必須進行更進一步的抗議動作。面對若此法通過,建築專業將面臨瓦解的危機,全國的建築相關科系應該攜手團結合作。

敬祝教安,聖誕快樂,新年快樂。

成功大學建築系教授兼主任
傅朝卿
2005年12月20日

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TED 發表於 December 23, 2005 09:50 AM

台灣目前的所謂建築師
不可諱言的大多就是砌厝的
真的有美學人文素養的人寥寥可數
就算是一位優秀的建築師
如果碰上的是一個不尊重專業的業主
又能夠有多少的發揮

唯有提昇整體國民素質
才是根本解決之道
老實說這個題目真的太大
三天三夜都說不完
美學素養是文化的事
就算是七年的學習也是那樣的不足啊
更何況有的人從來不學呢

期許台灣建築師在捍衛自己的專業權之際
也要多尊重國家付予自己的職權
為台灣的建築景觀多費點心
這樣人民自然會相挺
不是嗎

btw 照片好美

小蜜蜂 發表於 December 21, 2005 10:44 AM

Dont worry....

there is another project:

教育部推專業學院制 管理與法律步調較快

中央社 2005-11-17 22:58

(中央社記者翁翠萍台北十七日電)教育部高教司司長陳德華今天表示,年中開始規劃的專業學院制度,選擇法律、建築、管理三個學門,希望逐漸試辦推動,其中,管理專業學院確定明年九十五學年由政治大學先試辦,法律專業學院則獲法學界共識建議九十六年全面辦理,建築學門則還要深入研議銜接就業市場的問題。

教育部推動的專業學院制度不久前在立法院教育委員會遭到批評,經費差點被刪,最後決議經費須經專案報告才得動支,適用的三個學門以管理學院跑最快,明年就先試辦,全國法學教改會議今天也通過引進法律專業學院從九十六年起實施的共識,建築專業學院則還沒有實施期程。

從推動是否順利的程度,可見這三個學門推動專業教育體制的難度。

陳德華說,管理學門不涉及國家考試,只是制度鬆綁使與國際接軌,且與就業市場密合度較高,因此,很快就獲得明年試辦的共識。

法律與建築教育都涉及國家考試用人制度,法學教育改革談了十幾年都沒結果,這次獲法學界共識要推動法律專業學院,應是好的開始。至於建築教育,與就業市場銜接落差始終很大,若推動建築專業學院,又要使與就業市場結合,問題可能更大。

從數據可見前述現象,例如,全國法律系所在學學生約一萬六千人,每年報考國家考試人數大約六千人,錄取約四百人,錄取率最高百分之八;建築科系一年畢業約一千六百人,但累計多年,全國取得建築師執照者約有三千人,每年能接到案子的建築師只有十分之一。

因此,全國法學教育改革會議同時建議引進法律專業學院後,考試主管機關應對法律專業學院畢業生報考律師的錄取率提高到百分之七十以上,以鼓勵法律專業學院發展。

陳德華說,未來專業學院若要順利實施,一定要有評鑑、考試搭配,才可做好。因此,建築教育要參照法律學門,更深入研議國家考試制度問題,並整合學界與業界意見後,再提出解決方案。

TED 發表於 December 21, 2005 10:30 AM

很喜歡你的blog風格?
我也想要架個獨具風格的blog!
請問你是自己架的嗎?用什麼軟體做的呢?

Jacly 發表於 December 21, 2005 08:19 AM

台灣向來立法是草率 粗糙的
追求速度 不知重品質

每次出國見到的古蹟建築
總感慨台灣....................

台灣可以進步的空間是很大
當局如果少一點顏色和口水之爭
該努力認真作的事還有很多的
我一直是這麼認為

我自己小時候的第一志願也是砌厝的
只是現在的工作完全與之無關
當然是明白砌厝不是容易的事
是門學問的

所以別氣餒
加油!!!!


aquarious 發表於 December 21, 2005 02:17 AM

唉...美國這邊只有建築師的執照嚴格
景觀建築師LA(Lnadscape Architect)執照難考
專業工程師PE(Professoinla Engineer)好考
結果PE可以當LA蓋章
蓋出一堆"水泥"公園停車場
尤其是紐澤西州, 不只PE可以跨, 還有建築師跟土木工程師可以跨行來干涉我們...殊不知, 景觀建築不只是種種花草樹木而已
感嘆阿~~~

ALex 發表於 December 20, 2005 11:19 PM
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